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“scientific” argument for the existence of god(s)

July 11, 2006

I said yesterday that I was out of ideas. However, I didn’t know that I’d find my muse for yet another atheistic rant. So we have established that god and science don’t mix well. God is used to explain everything that we, silly humans, can’t explain scientifically.

Before we knew why the sun rises in the East and sets in the West we’ve come up with a very original answer: god did it with his divine power. The Greek, smarty pants they were, came up with another neat god idea: Helios and his chariot. And then there was the lightnings. We attributed lightnings to gods again. But then how could a loving god created something so devastatingly evil as lightnings to kill his children? And along came yet some other smarty pants who said that lightnings were the way god carried out his wrath upon the heretics. That argument created a hilarious situation. The thing is before we knew that lightnings are just massive electrical pulses, lightnings seemed to hit exclusively on churches. I wonder how did the Church persuade the people at the time that they were not devil worshippers.

So for hundreds of years, god is THE answer, the ultimate answer for everything from big questions like why the universe exists [god wants it to], how the universe came to be? [god created it], why are humans intelligent [god created us this way] to the not so big questions like why are donkeys so dumb and why do women have periods [apparently because Eve persuaded Adam to sin hence descendants of Eve have to be ‘punished’ every month, unless they’re pregnant of course. However, this explanation can be cut short to God hates women so he punishes them everymonth]. We now know how to answer those question scientifically, well, except for that question “why does the universe exist”, it’s always easier to answer the how’s or the what’s. People now demand scientific answer, not generic religious answer [well except for those fundemantalists who would still insist on the existence of a god even if someone came up with the scientific proof for the nonexistence of a god, those stubborn fundamentalists].

So some smarty pants again came up with the idea that if they can prove scientifically that god exists they’ll persuade people back to the righteous way of life. They even use the 2nd law of thermodynamics to prove their point.

So what does the 2nd law of thermodynamics say? It says something along the line of any closed system will tend towards disorder. Sort of like my room, if I don’t exert force [ie. clean it every week] it will definitely be in a state of total chaos [ie. disorder]. Anyhow, these smarty pants argue that the 2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts the theory of evolution. Since the 2nd law of thermodynamics is always right hence the theory of evolution must be wrong, hence god created humans.

Without looking at what’s right and what’s wrong, I must say that it’s a very big leap from ‘the theory of evolution is wrong’ to ‘god created humans’.

Now, let’s look at what’s right and what’s wrong. The 2nd law states that any closed system will tend towards disorder. These smarty pants forgot to think about closed system. The thing is, we’re living in an open system with energy constantly come from the Sun. So does the 2nd law of thermodynamics contradicts evolution anymore? No. End of argument.


You want proof? Here’s your proof.

July 5, 2006

So this person asked me if I could prove that God doesn’t exist. I’d love to say that I gave him one hell of a good answer for that question. But I didn’t. I asked him if he could prove that God exists thinking that offense is the best defense and he gave me a few answers that I must say are extremely stupid. They went something like these:

  • The bible proves that God exists
  • My family believed in God for generations, therefore God must exist
  • See this world, this universe? Aren’t they complex? Only God can make them so complex. Therefore God exists.
  • Miracles happen. There must be a reason for those miracles. Therefore God must exist.
  • No one saw the Big Bang. Therefore it didn’t happen. Hence God created the universe and God exists.
  • Communists do not believe in God. Communists are wrong. Therefore God exists.
  • Nothing has meaning without God. Therefore God exists.
  • etc.

Aren’t those reasons just going from one absurdity to another? Even me, a person who don’t know too much about philosophy or science and who aren’t very good when it comes to writing persuasive essays, can counter those idiotic arguments.

  • “The Bible proves the existence of God”. If the Bible proves anything, it proves that the Bible is an outdated, self-contradicting work of fiction. To say that the Bible proves the existence of God is just the same as saying “the Da Vinci Code” proves the existence of the marriage between Jesus and Mary Magedalene or saying that comic books prove the existence of Superman and Spiderman.
  • “My family believed in God for generations, therefore God must exist.” Yeah, your family also told you that Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy exist. Go figure!
  • “See this world, this universe? Aren’t they complex? Only God can make them so complex. Therefore God exists.” Of course the universe is complex. It took million of years for the Universe to get to this point. The complexity of the universe doesn’t have anything to do with God. He didn’t just snap his finger and the universe came into existence with all its complexity! Contrary to the popular Catholic belief that God created the univers/world in 6 days, he didn’t. Creationism didn’t happen, the Big Bang did. Can you prove that creationism happened? No. Can I prove that the Big Bang happened? I can’t but someone already did. Link.
  • “No one saw the Big Bang. Therefore it didn’t happen. Hence God created the universe and God exists.” Again, offense is the best defense, did anyone see God created the universe? I rest my case.
  • “Miracles happen. There must be a reason for those miracles. Therefore God must exist.” What sort of miracles are we talking about? The I-had-cancer-and-was-about-to-die-but-then-I-had-chemotherapy-for-2-years-and-was-cured sort of miracles? Of course it is a miracle! It’s a miracle because without the medical advances we had nowadays you would have died. You should thank the scientists who researched for a cure for that miracle.
  • “Communists do not believe in God. Communists are wrong. Therefore God exists.” This argument probably came from that period of time when the USSR banned all religions in Russia without much success. The other communists countries learned from the USSR and didn’t outright ban all religions, they just go about killing religious practitioners of a particular religion secretly. However, let’s not get into freedom of religious practice now. The argument above is wrong in so many ways. First of all, “communists do not believe in God” is absolutely bull. They ban religions because they are/were afraid that religions might get more followers than their party and thus can stage a revolution if needs be. Therefore, banning religion or secretly eliminate some particular religions is a way to ensure their party’s hold on the country, it’s the communist version of pre-election campaign. Secondly, to say that “communists are wrong” or communism is bad is just like saying “capitalists are always right” or capitalism is always good. It’s a generalization and it can’t always be true. Hence the whole argument just go out the window.
  • “Nothing has meaning without God, therefore God exists”. I must admit, God can be the answer for many unanswerable questions, a very lazy, unoriginal answer. As I posted in FKAB’s post, whatever we cannot easily understand we call God: this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues. I must also admit that when I became an atheist I was plagued with questions about the purpose of life if there is nothing afterwards, no rewards, no punishments. I’m still looking for the answer but it’s not important is it? I’m living and that’s all that matters, not what’s gonna happen after I die. Back to the argument, everything has a meaning with or without God. It’s just that without God, you’ll have to think harder, look deeper to find the meaning.

So there, my humble attempt at disproving some absurd proofs. Does it persuade you to become an atheist? I think not. I was, am never good at persuading anyway.

it’s ok to love Jesus

July 1, 2006

In fact, it is ok to love both Jesus and God at the same time and they’re both men. It is ok for men to love Jesus and God. But it is not ok for men to love other men. Curious, very curious indeed.

Logical? Who?

June 30, 2006

Is god logical? Of course not! That was a rhetorical question. I suppose everyone knows about the story of Creationism? No, I don’t mind giving you the gist of it. Source: Wikipedia

  • First day: Light is created. (“Let there be light.”) This light is not the sun or stars, as these are created later. It is described by some as a primordial light. The light is divided from the darkness, and called good by God. The statement in verse 8 that there was evening and there was morning is often cited as the reason that the Jewish day starts at sunset.
  • Second day: The firmament of Heaven is created. The waters above it is separated from the waters below.
  • Third day: Land is created, separated from the waters, and named. The water is also named. Grass, herbs and fruit-bearing trees are created.
  • Fourth day: Lights are made in the firmament of Heaven, to appear regularly, aiding time-keeping. Two particularly large lights are made, the lesser one the Moon and the greater one the Sun.
  • Fifth day: Air and sea creatures are created, including “great sea-monsters”. They are commanded to be fruitful and multiply.
  • Sixth day: Land animals are created, and God calls them good. Man and woman are created in God’s image. They are told to “be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.” Humans and animals are given plants to eat. The totality of creation is described by God as “very good”.
  • Now, I’m trying to be perfectly logical here, Creationism just doesn’t make sense. Here are a few points that defy high school science.

    • God created light and separated light from darkness and day from night on the first day. However, he didn’t make the sun (ie. those little things that produce light) until the fourth day.
    • Plants were made on the 3rd day, before the sun were made to drive photosynthesis.

    Clearly God wasn’t very big on logic or science for that matter. See, the wonderful, best-selling book that we call “the bible” fails to mention anything about the Earth being round or the Earth revolves around the Sun and not the other way around. At least we humans heeded his message of “be fruitful and multiply”, there are only a few billion of us sinful creatures on this
    On the other hand, the Bible has a lot to say about everything else, like sex, oral sex, hand job, and some strictly 18+ stuff.


    I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.
    Song of Solomon 2:3

    Hand job

    My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.
    Song of Solomon 5:4

    No comment stuff

    There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
    Ezekiel 23:20

    I guess God was serious about “be fruitful and multiply”, else, sex wouldn’t be mentioned so much in the bible. For a full list of Genesis reference to sex click here.

    pretty wack

    June 28, 2006

    This article appears in the Australian a while back

    Zoo lion kills man who invokes God

    By correspondents in KievJune 05, 2006

    A MAN shouting that God would keep him safe was mauled to death by a lioness in Kiev zoo after he crept into the animal’s enclosure, a zoo official said on today.

    “The man shouted ‘God will save me, if he exists’, lowered himself by a rope into the enclosure, took his shoes off and went up to the lions,” the official said.

    “A lioness went straight for him, knocked him down and severed his carotid artery.”

    The incident, yesterday evening when the zoo was packed with visitors, was the first of its kind at the attraction. Lions and tigers are kept in an “animal island” protected by thick concrete blocks.

    So what does this prove?

    • God doesn’t exist. [Well duh! Of course he doesn’t exist. Or else he would have saved that crazy dude’s life. However, God might have considered this crazy dude’s action as suicide hence he wouldn’t care to save a suicidal and crazy dude’s life.]
    • Lion likes to eat human.
    • The crazy guy is either an extremely crazy Christian or an extremely devoted Atheist. I mean devoted to the cause of proving that God doesn’t exist. But then again, if he was an atheist, god would have hated his gut hence he wouldn’t have saved him. At least that guy can die knowing that he has proven that either god doesn’t exist or god isn’t merciful

    breaking news

    June 28, 2006

    Here’s what just in

    Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible and loosely translated reads:
    ‘All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental’.

    Only there’s no such news. Aren’t you disappointed? Wouldn’t it be fun if one day we find out that the Holy Bible is just fiction and we’ve been worshipping a fictitous character for over 2000 years? Yeah, that’ll be fun.


    June 25, 2006

    So I've disappeared from this blog for a few days. It's no big deal. I was in yet another marathon session of Dark Angel. Oh, how I love the holiday. Anyway, it's time for another of my atheist rants, so if someone found  my rants offending please don't read any further.
    First off, I must say that God does not exist. Full stop. Can I prove that he doesn't exist. No. Can anyone prove that he does? No. So what's wrong with not agreeing with everyone else? What's wrong in not believing in what I think is a made up fairy tales for adult? There, I've said it, god is a made up fairy tale character, a figment of some person's imagination, a mass delusion.

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    So why then is there life on Earth and not on Mars you might ask. Well, that is the result of a rare coincedence when our planet was just lucky enough to be not too close and not too far away from the sun. So strictly speaking, if the sun hadn't been there, there wouldn't be any life on Earth at all. We should really go worship the Sun, the sun deserves that a lot. Let's all convert to pagan and be natural.
    I'm sure not many people will that what I said seriously so I won't hold my breath for anyone converting to pagan. In the mean time, here's something for you to consider.

    • Why can't we wait until we get to Heaven to worship God?
    • What is the purpose of prayer? What can a finite being on Earth possibly tell an omnipotent, omniscient deity that he doesn't know already?
    • If God has a plan for you, and his plan cannot be thwarted, do you really have a free will?